The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by The Narrativo Group.

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  • Episode 157: Glorious Inefficiency

    May 26th, 2019  |  49 mins 21 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk sleep technology, reckless generosity, and back row churches. Also, Sarah would like an epidural, all the time.

  • Episode 156: The House of Brontosaurus

    May 13th, 2019  |  50 mins 8 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave reunite to talk pop culture homework, judging other people's relationships, and the lives and deaths of Rachel Held Evans and Jean Vanier. Please note: this is not the episode where Sarah cries the whole time.

  • Episode 155: Putting the Fun Back in Funeral

    April 27th, 2019  |  42 mins 22 secs

    In which Sarah, Dave, and guest co-host Aaron Zimmerman talk shifting Instagram aesthetics, fashionable funerals, and Easter hope. Also, Sarah inherits some QVC jewelry.

  • Episode 154: God's Cup of Tea

    April 7th, 2019  |  41 mins 4 secs

    Recorded live at the 2019 Mbird Tyler Conference, in which Sarah and Dave are joined by Aaron Zimmerman and Matt Magill to talk text etiquette, grown-up dreams, and ladders to the sky. Also, Matt sings (better than RJ).

  • Episode 153: Jesus Is Aunt Becky

    March 23rd, 2019  |  48 mins 5 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk college admissions, 1st century charity, and the benefits of preaching as "a dying man to dying men." Also, RJ lives the solution.

  • Special Episode: The Faith and Doubt Issue

    March 19th, 2019  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In this special episode, editor Ethan Richardson takes us through the new issue of The Mockingbird print magazine (! Featuring interviews with existentialist boxing guru Gordon Marino, reconstructed Mbird contributor Connor Gwin, and legendary children's author Sally Lloyd-Jones.

  • Episode 151: Don't Wash Your Face

    March 9th, 2019  |  46 mins 23 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and DZ discuss Hollis-mania, intuitive eating, and useless awards. Also, RJ sucks on a rock.

  • Episode 150: Rumors of Grace

    February 23rd, 2019  |  42 mins 24 secs

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ discuss millennial evangelism, how to talk to someone who's grieving, and what depression can teach us about the human condition (and God). Thankfully, Sarah cracks a bunch of jokes too.

  • Episode 149: Called Out!

    February 8th, 2019  |  44 mins 42 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk punk-rock piety, fake meat, and hungry children. Also, in Texas queso counts as a protein.

  • Episode 148: Hanging With Mr Cooper

    January 25th, 2019  |  46 mins 56 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave try to make sense of familial estrangement, millennial burnout, and recovering musicians. Also, Sarah gets real at the bus stop.

  • Episode 147: Sick Day Christianity

    January 12th, 2019  |  39 mins 13 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave kick off the new year by throwing out their boundaries and sitting at the feet of an incarcerated preacher. Also, RJ almost gets a hug.

  • Special Episode: Top Theology Books of 2018

    January 9th, 2019  |  51 mins 41 secs

    On this special one-off, Dave speaks with Dr. Todd Brewer about his picks for the top (academic) theology books of the year.

  • Episode 145: Gum, Gatorade, and Grace

    December 14th, 2018  |  49 mins 5 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave explore why we all take the same travel photos, how marriages become unstuck, and what the outrageous generosity of Christmas looks like. Also, Neil gets a MorfBoard.

  • Episode 144: Teenage Recession

    December 1st, 2018  |  48 mins 7 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave get to the bottom of "the sex recession," weigh the challenges of selling yourself, and explore what happens after you accidentally kill someone. Also, RJ tries to affirm himself, with mixed results.

  • Episode 143: A More Brunch-Like Experience

    November 17th, 2018  |  41 mins 48 secs

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ figure out how to cry in their offices and optimize their Sunday mornings. Plus, the gospel according to Stan Lee. 'Nuff said.

  • Episode 142: The Untrustworthy List

    November 4th, 2018  |  46 mins 2 secs

    In which Sarah, Dave and RJ talk about disgraced Chinese coal workers, dodgy motivational techniques, and moral futility. Also, Marshall crosses the parking lot on his own.