The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 228: Failed Saviors Anonymous

    April 27th, 2022  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk library fines, viral dynamics, sad teenagers, and Easter vendettas. Also, Sarah has quite a run-in at the airport.

  • Episode 227: Goblin Forgiveness

    April 1st, 2022  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk goblin modes, unproductive sabbaticals, shaming complexes, and historical miracles. Also, Sarah takes a tour of a church crypt, and RJ sees yellow (and a lot of movies).

  • Episode 226: No Fanny Packs in Heaven

    March 16th, 2022  |  1 hr 9 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk healthy forgetfulness, vengeful superheroes, theories of enchantment, and personalized religion. Also, Dave breaks some troubling news to a bunch of children.

  • Episode 225: Stop Nagging Me (and Start Nagging God)

    March 2nd, 2022  |  1 hr 11 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk cheugy parents, happy churchgoers, urgent prayers, and long defeats. Also, while Dave makes a Pink Floyd faux-pas, RJ does some stitching.

  • Episode 224: The Least Pleasurable Sin

    February 15th, 2022  |  1 hr 8 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk porch pirates, fading friendships, trivialized trauma, and hopeful humor. Also, God works through a robot vacuum cleaner.

  • Episode 223: Love Is Downwardly Mobile

    February 1st, 2022  |  1 hr 3 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Wordle distractions, parenting silos, agricultural moods, and undeserving fairy tales. Also, Sarah recalls the glory of heads-up seven-up.

  • Episode 222: The Best Place to Cry in Public

    January 18th, 2022  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk habit formation, performative meetings, Latin American religion, and the benefits of falling apart in church. Also, George Costanza chimes in with some tips on working less.

  • Episode 221: The Fastest Way to End a Miracle

    December 7th, 2021  |  1 hr 10 mins

    Our last episode of the year, in which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk mallstalgia, gift aversions, parent-child privilege gaps, and gambling addictions. Also, Sarah gives away some dish towels. To respond to the opening appeal and support Mockingbird, please visit

  • Episode 220: Beauty, Betrayal, and Burnout

    November 15th, 2021  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which Dave, RJ, and Sarah talk college essays, supermodel insecurities, ferocious coziness, and because-because propositions. Also, Sarah attends a Renaissance Festival and Dave visits some European comic book stores.

  • Episode 219: Hell Is Getting Everything You Want

    November 2nd, 2021  |  1 hr 8 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk the fastest growing sport in America, the allure of conspirituality, exvangelical hashtags, and renamed churches. Also, a pair of golden girls wipe the pickleball court with Mr. Zahl.

  • Episode 218: Too Good to Be True

    October 18th, 2021  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk travel selves, generational generalizations, optimistic pitfalls, and forgiving bad fathers. Also, Sarah spies some aliens and RJ jumps off several cliffs.

  • Episode 217: Not Captain Material

    September 28th, 2021  |  1 hr 46 secs

    In which Sarah, Dave, and RJ talk self-awareness, gracious friendships, nap ministries, and the "gift" of rejection. Also, RJ explores his haze-ability while Sarah buys a bridesmaid dress.

  • Episode 216: No One Is Enjoying Their Life

    September 17th, 2021  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk favorite comedians, status games, personal progress, and re-enchantment. Also, somehow RJ keeps winning. He's insufferable that way.

  • Episode 215: Blessed Are the Brokenhearted

    August 30th, 2021  |  1 hr 19 mins

    In their first episode after the summer hiatus, Dave, RJ and Sarah talk misbehaving consumers, trapped perfectionists, and controversial forgiveness before taking a detour to a little church in Mississippi. Also, Sarah dons a babooshka while Dave drums up some tips.

  • Episode 214: God Is On The Bathroom Floor

    June 21st, 2021  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In their last episode before the summer hiatus, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk brand loyalty, thought-terminating cliches, father's day championships, the religion/psychoanalysis intersection, and God's downstairs neighbor. Also, RJ changes his mind about Michael Jordan (sort of). To support Mockingbird, please visit

  • Episode 213: Don't Count Another Man's Money

    May 24th, 2021  |  1 hr 4 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk spite, ubiquitous burnout, chaplaincy booms, and our conflicted relationship with newness. Also, Dave marvels at how refreshed the cicadas are looking.