The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 212: The Secret to Complete Mastery

    May 11th, 2021  |  1 hr 3 mins

    Recorded live in front of an audience at the Mockingbird Tyler festival, Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk ambivalent mothers, Nordic expectations, getting "on top of things", and elite religiosity. Also, Sarah indulges in some, er, splendid show-and-tell.

  • Special Episode: The Surprise Issue

    May 3rd, 2021  |  1 hr 9 mins

    Surprise! It's a special edition episode of The Mockingcast, in which CJ Green introduces the unpredictable content of the Surprise issue of The Mockingbird magazine. You'll hear an incredible personal essay read by author and professional listener, Helena Dea Bala; an interview on unexpected grief with the Rev Liz Tichenor; and a discussion about jazz and John Coltrane with musician Sam Bush. Plus some stuff about Disneyland.

  • Episode 210: Don't Stop Beliebing

    April 26th, 2021  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In which Dave, RJ and Sarah talk subtraction strategies, birth order effects, Justin Bieber's redemption, and the spiritual dangers of courting controversy. But maybe that's just what a couple of oldest children (and one middle child) would discuss.

  • Episode 209: What If You Weren't Afraid Anymore?

    April 11th, 2021  |  1 hr 8 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ and Dave talk vaccinated no-no's, real estate obsessions, recalibrated ambitions, and Easter messages. We almost titled it House Hunters: The Mockingcast Edition.

  • Episode 208: God Is Insane

    March 29th, 2021  |  1 hr 13 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk last chance basketball programs, true selves, teenage errors, and gracious dispositions. Also, Sarah gets kicked off AOL Instant Messenger.

  • Episode 207: Tangled Redemption

    March 15th, 2021  |  1 hr 4 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ and Dave talk baby busts, Instavangelists, and epiphanies of the heart. Also, RJ comes clean about his favorite Disney princess. Clue: It's not Anna or Elsa.

  • Episode 206: The Goalposts Are Moving

    March 1st, 2021  |  1 hr 2 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Covid-Deutsch, the advice column boom, and grieving video game characters. Also, Sarah cozies up to some ghosts while dancing to DMB.

  • A New Podcast from Mockingbird! Trailer for The Brothers Zahl

    February 25th, 2021  |  2 mins 29 secs

    Highly recommended for Mockingast listeners: all six episodes of the first season of The Brothers Zahl are now available at -- or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen to the trailer and subscribe today!

  • Episode 204: Sexy Lexie Has a Nervous Breakdown

    February 13th, 2021  |  1 hr 11 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk peripheral relationships, nervous breakdowns and nighttime prayers. Also, after making a startling discovery in her father's desk drawer, Sarah goes shopping for yoga pants.

  • Episode 203: What If I'm Wrong About Everything?

    January 22nd, 2021  |  1 hr 9 mins

    In which RJ and Dave hear from Sarah about her first month of grief, before talking together about family estrangement, faulty memories and the blindspots of Jefferson's Jesus. Also, Dave breaks up with a friend while Sarah goes to the zoo.

  • Episode 202: Batteries Not Included

    December 11th, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In their final episode of the year, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk mer-baby mishaps, library impermanence, celebrity pastors, and their increasing distaste for Advent. To support the Mockingcast (pretty please!), text "MCAST" to 77948.

  • Special Episode: The Sports Issue

    December 2nd, 2020  |  1 hr 26 mins

    In this special extended episode of The Mockingcast, Ethan Richardson takes us on a tour of The Sports Issue of The Mockingbird magazine, featuring interviews with journalist Anna Katherine Clemmons, legendary skateboarder Christian Hosoi, and former Falcons cornerback (and current chaplain) Jason Webster--beamed in, it would seem, almost straight from Friday Night Lights. Order your copy of the issue at

  • Episode 200: A Mockingcast Birthday Extravaganza!

    November 16th, 2020  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which we celebrate the 200 episode milestone by talking soul toupees, American happiness, None elevator pitches, and the compelling perfectionism of Yeshua. Also, Dave comes to grips with his ADD, Sarah starts a new hobby, while RJ serenades them both like some kind of overgrown Dutch choirboy.

  • Episode 199: Night of the Living Swingset

    November 6th, 2020  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk living inside the news, POW uncertainty, segmented sleep, and American paradoxes. Also, RJ peeks behind the Iron Curtain while Sarah scores some great lamps (buffalo check).

  • Episode 198: I Feel Guilty About Liking This

    October 23rd, 2020  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk private lives, political junkies, Craigslist confessionals, and the surprising hope of 2020. Also, RJ feels his (lonely) feelings while Sarah buys a birthday cake.

  • Episode 197: Play Now

    October 9th, 2020  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which RJ, Dave, and Sarah talk gracious play, burned out children, burned out workers, burned out clergy, and the hope of unconscious bias training. Also, RJ gets down to some liturgical reggae.