The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 202: Batteries Not Included

    December 11th, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In their final episode of the year, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk mer-baby mishaps, library impermanence, celebrity pastors, and their increasing distaste for Advent. To support the Mockingcast (pretty please!), text "MCAST" to 77948.

  • Special Episode: The Sports Issue

    December 2nd, 2020  |  1 hr 26 mins

    In this special extended episode of The Mockingcast, Ethan Richardson takes us on a tour of The Sports Issue of The Mockingbird magazine, featuring interviews with journalist Anna Katherine Clemmons, legendary skateboarder Christian Hosoi, and former Falcons cornerback (and current chaplain) Jason Webster--beamed in, it would seem, almost straight from Friday Night Lights. Order your copy of the issue at

  • Episode 200: A Mockingcast Birthday Extravaganza!

    November 16th, 2020  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which we celebrate the 200 episode milestone by talking soul toupees, American happiness, None elevator pitches, and the compelling perfectionism of Yeshua. Also, Dave comes to grips with his ADD, Sarah starts a new hobby, while RJ serenades them both like some kind of overgrown Dutch choirboy.

  • Episode 199: Night of the Living Swingset

    November 6th, 2020  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk living inside the news, POW uncertainty, segmented sleep, and American paradoxes. Also, RJ peeks behind the Iron Curtain while Sarah scores some great lamps (buffalo check).

  • Episode 198: I Feel Guilty About Liking This

    October 23rd, 2020  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk private lives, political junkies, Craigslist confessionals, and the surprising hope of 2020. Also, RJ feels his (lonely) feelings while Sarah buys a birthday cake.

  • Episode 197: Play Now

    October 9th, 2020  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which RJ, Dave, and Sarah talk gracious play, burned out children, burned out workers, burned out clergy, and the hope of unconscious bias training. Also, RJ gets down to some liturgical reggae.

  • Episode 196: The Land of Bland

    September 25th, 2020  |  1 hr 13 mins

    For too long, the podcasting industry has flooded our ears with self-indulgent commentary and lazy sermonizing. Well, the answer to your commuting conundrum is finally here! We at Mockingbird are obsessed with side-stepping the noise and bringing 200 proof grace directly to your earbuds. Simple and seasonal, yet thoughtfully sourced and designed to fit in with your busy lifestyle, brace yourself for your new favorite listening experience. There is only one Mockingcast, and this is it.

  • Episode 195: All Shall Be Swell

    September 11th, 2020  |  1 hr 19 mins

    A jumbo-sized episode in which Sarah, RJ and Dave talk spiritual consultants, anxious NBA stars, the charity of Frederick Douglass, and the hope of Julian of Norwich. Also, a hapless kayaker receives an ironic rescue.

  • Episode 194: Defunding the Inner Police

    September 2nd, 2020  |  1 hr 3 mins

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ talk college reopenings, internal deputies, racist sinners, and recovering pharisees. Also, Sarah is absolved of her lunchable guilt, and Mrs Heijmen finally becomes an adult.

  • Episode 193: Those Upgrades Can Wait

    August 14th, 2020  |  1 hr 3 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk school re-openings, comparative suffering, digital hygiene, and the crisis of capacity. Also, RJ decides to invest in some outdated (but comfortable!) furniture.

  • Episode 192: Smokin' Soulmates

    August 2nd, 2020  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk marriage models, bored believers, fragile meritocrats, and reconciled congressmen. Also, RJ catches up on some Netflix while Sarah dabbles in prophecy.

  • Episode 191: Exploding Heads and Inedible Sandwiches

    July 10th, 2020  |  59 mins 39 secs

    In which Dave, RJ, and Sarah talk curated authenticity, shameful beaches, and imputing baseball coaches. Also, Sarah does some Corona math while and Dave weighs the wisdom of a Shakespearean admonition. Don't miss the surprise at the end.

  • Episode 190: My Name Is Soapbox

    June 29th, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk lonely dads, radical acceptance, hashtag preaching, and anger in the Bible. Also, the Heijmens pray someone into a fender-bender while Sarah takes a break from social media.

  • Episode 189: From Minneapolis to Constantinople

    June 1st, 2020  |  1 hr 1 min

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk picky eaters, casual racism, George Floyd, and Brendan the Navigator. Also, Dave presses some steel while Sarah reheats some frozen garlic bread.

  • Episode 188: Homicidal Psycho Jungle Mockingcast

    May 26th, 2020  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ talk Calvin and Hobbes, dirty dishes, prayer science, and oscillating faith. Also, RJ risks relational wrath to rearrange the silverware and Confetti Egg Condon make a cameo. To respond to the opening appeal and give to Mockingbird, please visit

  • Episode 187: Watch Out Whitney

    May 18th, 2020  |  1 hr 2 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk middle school meddling, Waffle House fisticuffs, worthless baseball cards, and weird Christians. Also, Dave gets cut from a basketball team (or two).