The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 186: Garbage Pail Groundhogs

    May 10th, 2020  |  1 hr 8 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk guilty pleasures, quarantine fatigue, 1st century exorcisms, and eccentric branches of the welfare state. Also, Dave turns to ebay while Sarah lets them eat cake.

  • Episode 185: Be Like Mike?

    April 30th, 2020  |  1 hr 1 min

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk Michael Jordan, productivity epiphanies, and Kierkegaard's glorious failures. Also, Dave goes full Regency while Sarah expounds on Russian dynasties.

  • Episode 184: Karen vs the Emotion Police

    April 23rd, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk corona shaming, prepared forgiveness, parental anxiety and essential churches. Also, RJ finally finds out how the cow ate the cabbage.

  • Episode 183: The Ballad of Weird Al

    April 15th, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ and Dave talk the ministry of weirdness and the hope of post-Corona grace before lamenting the popularity of lament. Also, Sarah reassesses Pokemon while RJ complains about his boss.

  • Episode 182: Deployed!

    April 6th, 2020  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ talk celebrity backlash, culpability anxiety, remote worship, and New York trauma. Also, Dave does his best Coach Taylor impression while Sarah learns from widows.

  • Episode 181: The Great Thing About Hell

    March 30th, 2020  |  1 hr 3 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk favorite memes, anticipatory grief, apocalyptic pick-up lines, and other impossibilities. Also, Sarah organizes a Zoom happy hour, and RJ shakes his neighbor's hand.

  • Episode 180: Lowering the Bar

    March 22nd, 2020  |  59 mins 42 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk corona-couples, corona-parents, corona-jobs, and the perils of giving advice. Also, RJ takes things too personally, Sarah skips Morning Prayer, and no celebrates Lazarus's life.

  • Episode 179: Coronacation Survival Kit

    March 16th, 2020  |  54 mins 18 secs

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ talk new corona-realities, compassion shortages, and Martin Luther's advice for pandemic survivors--before giving their quarantine recommendations. Also, RJ goes bodysurfing while Sarah prays for teenagers in love.

  • Episode 178: What Would Gaga Do?

    March 9th, 2020  |  1 hr 12 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk dating Lady Gaga, reading MeMaw's bible, reckoning with coronapanic during Lent, and forgiving other people's enemies. Also, Sarah leaves a trail of bodies behind her while Dave listens to Big Pink.

  • Episode 177: The Type Who Never Listens

    February 24th, 2020  |  1 hr 5 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk closeness-communication bias, Type of Guy Theory, nuclear family breakdown, and skipping church. Also, Florida man RJ Heijmen reveals why he speaks so quickly, and Sarah discloses her least favorite sermon.

  • Special Episode: The Future Issue

    February 15th, 2020  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In this special episode of The Mockingcast, Ethan Richardson takes us on a tour of The Future Issue of The Mockingbird magazine, featuring interviews with historian Tom Holland and NY Times technology columnist Nellie Bowles. Also, once-and-future Mbird authority Will McDavid provides what may be the world's foremost take on the intersection of Marcel Proust and the Left Behind series.

  • Episode 175: Spirals of Forgiveness

    February 7th, 2020  |  59 mins 38 secs

    In which Dave, Sarah, and RJ talk 50 year old aspirations, middle school peers, and knitting purity spirals. Also, Rev. Condon takes us on a tour of that frightening place known as "Secular Sarah Hell."

  • Episode 174: The Unchurchables

    January 25th, 2020  |  1 hr 2 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk advanced status games, gracious cheerleaders, deathrow mercies, and anti-institutional performancism. Also, Ken F promises to let them all cut in line.

  • Episode 173: Time's Quaint Stream(ing Service)

    January 11th, 2020  |  54 mins 38 secs

    In the first new episode of 2020, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Parkinson's Law, algorithmic decades, and neonatal epiphanies. Also, Dave sees Little Women, Sarah preps for Twin Day, and things stop going according to RJ's plan.

  • Episode 172: Mary, Did You Have Amazon Prime?

    December 10th, 2019  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk sassy mom merch, overrated advents, and the theology of foster care. They also share their favorites from 2019.

  • Episode 171: Everybody Loves Dolly

    November 25th, 2019  |  1 hr 1 min

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk generational warfare ("OK boomer"), Sunday morning racial reconciliation, refugee puppetry, and America's favorite Dolly. Also, Sarah gets beeped for the first time--but probably not the last. Throughout it all, hope abounds.