The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 174: The Unchurchables

    January 25th, 2020  |  1 hr 2 mins

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk advanced status games, gracious cheerleaders, deathrow mercies, and anti-institutional performancism. Also, Ken F promises to let them all cut in line.

  • Episode 173: Time's Quaint Stream(ing Service)

    January 11th, 2020  |  54 mins 38 secs

    In the first new episode of 2020, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Parkinson's Law, algorithmic decades, and neonatal epiphanies. Also, Dave sees Little Women, Sarah preps for Twin Day, and things stop going according to RJ's plan.

  • Episode 172: Mary, Did You Have Amazon Prime?

    December 10th, 2019  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk sassy mom merch, overrated advents, and the theology of foster care. They also share their favorites from 2019.

  • Episode 171: Everybody Loves Dolly

    November 25th, 2019  |  1 hr 1 min

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk generational warfare ("OK boomer"), Sunday morning racial reconciliation, refugee puppetry, and America's favorite Dolly. Also, Sarah gets beeped for the first time--but probably not the last. Throughout it all, hope abounds.

  • Episode 170: Eat Your Heart Out, Marisa Tomei

    November 11th, 2019  |  53 mins 59 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk cancel culture, aging taboos, and the church-pocalypse. Also, Sarah goes shopping for jeans.

  • Episode 169: Optimizing the Broken

    October 27th, 2019  |  50 mins 23 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk procrastination, child-ing, and going home with Beth Moore. Also, RJ's three-year old wakes up with a song in his heart.

  • Episode 168: Surprise Party

    October 14th, 2019  |  53 mins 21 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk about noonday demons, divine surprises, and the doctrine that rhymes with schmotal decavity. Also, RJ comes clean about why he watches SEC football.

  • Episode 167: Tuesday Freedom

    September 30th, 2019  |  57 mins 52 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk about raising boys, surviving Instagram, and grasping the moral legacy of the Christian revolution. Also, Marshall Heijmen scales the roof while Neil Condon takes us to Danger World.

  • Episode 166: A Very Brady Mockingcast

    September 16th, 2019  |  51 mins 58 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk about the temptations/lessons of nostalgia, Taylor Swift's doctrine of forgiveness, and the "Age of American Despair." Also, RJ recites the full lineup of the 86 Mets.

  • Episode 165: Be Nice, Lee Ann!

    August 31st, 2019  |  48 mins 10 secs

    In which Sarah, RJ, and Dave talk hard seltzer, early NFL retirements, and the (non)virtue of niceness. Also, Sarah shares her recipe for meat water.

  • Episode 164: Get in the Pool!

    August 21st, 2019  |  56 mins 13 secs

    In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave return from their summer break to talk school stress, ideal women, millennial nuns, and the gift God gave Stephen Colbert. Also, Sarah reveals her favorite film franchise.

  • (Mini-)Episode 163: Hope

    August 2nd, 2019  |  18 mins 56 secs

    In this, the third of three special summer mini-sodes, RJ, Sarah, and Dave converse on the subject of hope (and why it is not the same thing as optimism). Dedicated to the memory of James Harte.

  • Special Episode: The Family Issue

    July 26th, 2019  |  1 hr 27 mins

    In this special episode of The Mockingcast, Ethan Richardson takes us on a tour of The Family Issue of The Mockingbird magazine, featuring interviews with education expert Alfie Kohn and Silver Linings Playbook creator Matthew Quick. Oh, and Carrie Willard explains why our family lives are like those moldy leftovers in your refrigerator.

  • (Mini-)Episode 161: The Holy Spirit

    July 19th, 2019  |  16 mins 18 secs

    In this, the second of three special summer mini-sodes, Sarah, RJ, and Dave try to put words to the Holy Spirit. Also, RJ totally loses it in Denny's.

  • (Mini-)Episode 160: The Bondage of the Will

    July 12th, 2019  |  17 mins 55 secs

    In this, the first of three special summer mini-sodes, RJ, Sarah, and Dave discuss what's meant by "the bondage of the will," and why it's not a bad thing. Also, Annie Condon has a good cry.

  • Episode 159: The One About the Devil

    June 26th, 2019  |  54 mins 22 secs

    In which Sarah, Dave, and RJ talk diabolical mirrors, marital submission, and contingent self-esteem. Also, RJ eats a whopper (but keeps his balance).