The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 44: PZ Returns

    July 15th, 2016  |  53 mins 28 secs

    Paul Zahl is back. He and Mary Zahl just returned from England, where they saw their grandson baptized. He also returns to the Mockingcast today to talk Brexit, why he does his podcast, and what preaching is all about.

  • Episode 43: Life Is An Authentic Mess

    July 8th, 2016  |  56 mins 53 secs

    Our guest this week is Kimm Crandall, author most recently of Beloved Mess: God’s Perfect Love For Your Imperfect Life. Then Scott, David and Sarah discuss the contents of Another Week Ends.

  • Episode 42: Religion’s Place In A Chronically Anxious World

    July 1st, 2016  |  1 hr 5 mins

    This week we feature an interview with Miroslav Volf, Professor of Theology at Yale University and author most recently of Flourishing: Why We Need Religion In A Globalized World. Then David Zahl, Sarah Cond0n and Scott Jones discuss Seinfeldia,

  • Episode 41: Bonus Cast: Game Of Thrones Recap And Review

    June 28th, 2016  |  32 mins 23 secs

    In this special, spontaneous episode David Zahl, Will McDavid, Lindy Jones and Scott try to make sense of where we’ve Game of Thrones has been, where it is, and where it’s going. Enjoy!

  • Episode 40: The Ecumenical Apocalypse

    June 24th, 2016  |  1 hr 18 mins

    Our special guest this week is Liel Leibowitz, senior writer at Tablet Magazine and co-host of Unorthodox, one of the greatest podcasts on the web. Liel and Scott thought their conversation was nearly apocalyptic in magnitude,

  • Episode 39: Did Jesus Have A Wife? Do You Have Septimania?!?

    June 17th, 2016  |  49 mins 45 secs

    Our guest this week is author and literary critic Jonathan Levi, whose most recent book is Septimania, a ” strange and magical picaresque romance.” Then Scott is joined by David Zahl and Sarah Condon to consider questions like: “Do we live in the Matri...

  • Episode 38: Should You Ever Be Authentic Or Do What You Love?

    June 9th, 2016  |  45 mins 4 secs

    This week Scott Jones talks with Erik Guzman about his new book, The Seed: A True Myth. Then Scott is joined by the usual suspects to talk about, among other things, the dangers of being authentic and doing what you love.

  • Episode 37: Bonus Mini-Cast: Lindy and Scott Review “Love And Friendship”

    June 6th, 2016  |  11 mins 50 secs

    This is the second of an ongoing, albeit semi-regular series, where the host of the Mockingcast goes to the cinema with his lovely wife, Lindy. This episode we review Love and Friendship, a film inspired by Jane Austen’s unpublished novella.

  • Episode 36: How’s A Gorilla Mom Like Me Gonna Make It Through The Zombie Apocalypse?

    June 3rd, 2016  |  56 mins 5 secs

    We have one of the top experts on Zombie Apocalypses on the show this week. Alissa Wilkinson teaches at King’s College in New York City. She is the author most recently of How to Survive the Apocalypse: Zombies, Cylons, Faith,

  • Episode 35: Nurture The Wow

    May 28th, 2016  |  1 hr 6 mins

    This week we have as our guest Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg, the author of numerous books and essays, including her most recent work, Nurture The Wow, a deeply affecting, funny, insightful meditation that challenges readers to find the spiritual meaning of p...

  • Episode 34: The Gospel Is For Sinners

    May 20th, 2016  |  54 mins 24 secs

    This week’s show features an interview with Fleming Rutledge about her recent book, The Crucifixion:Understanding the Death of Jesus Christ. Then the usual suspects review the contents of Another Week Ends.  Scott,

  • Episode 33: Special Episode: The Church Magazine Edition

    May 18th, 2016  |  1 hr 24 mins

    In this special episode of the podcast we talk about the most recent issue of our magazine which is all about the Church. We talk with the editor of the magazine, Ethan Richardson, as well Molly Worthen, Professor of History from UNC and New York Times...

  • Episode 32: Preaching Can Be Powerful, But Should It Be Funny?

    May 13th, 2016  |  48 mins 18 secs

    In this episode Scott talks with Rev. Dr. Kenyatta Gilbert, Professor of Homiletics at Howard Divinity School. Dr. Gilbert teaches preaching and is also a student of its history. Following the interview Scott is joined by David Zahl and a special guest...

  • Episode 31: Falling Into Grace

    May 6th, 2016  |  50 mins 52 secs

    In this episode we’re joined by John Newton, author of the Falling Into Grace: Exploring Our Inner Life With God. Following that conversation David, Sarah and Scott discuss the content of Another Week Ends. 

  • Episode 30: What Is True Freedom? And What’s The Deal With Choose Your Own Adventure Books?

    April 29th, 2016  |  47 mins 34 secs

    In this episode Scott talks with Geoff Holsclaw, author of, most recently,  Transcending Subjects: Augustine, Hegel and Theology, and the co-host of the Theology On Mission Podcast. The usual suspects (Scott,

  • Episode 29: Our Conversation With Derek Webb, Thoughts On Prince, And The Joys Of Crashing Weddings

    April 22nd, 2016  |  58 mins 46 secs

    In this episode we air a conversation that David Zahl and Scott Jones had with Derek Webb at the 2016 New York City Conference. Then the usual suspects discuss the contents of Another Week Ends.