The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 62: He’s Back…

    November 4th, 2016  |  49 mins 40 secs

    Friend of the show Mark Oppenheimer returns to share about his recent adventure with Episcopalians. He also explains why he quit the NY Times and why he still writes to his daughter in cursive. Then the usual suspects talk Bill Murray, teen anxiety and Cormac McCarthy.

  • Episode 61: Happy Birthday To Us, Let’s Do The Monster Mash!

    October 31st, 2016  |  58 mins 25 secs

    The Mockingcast turned one year old yesterday and what a year it’s been! On this special episode we reflect on the past year and reflect on the Reformation rediscovery of 100 proof Gospel that inspires everything that Mockingbird is and does.

  • Episode 60: Worship, Anxiety & The Lies We Tell Ourselves

    October 28th, 2016  |  1 hr 11 mins

    This week we talk with Zac Hicks, Worship Pastor at Cathedral Church of the Advent and author of The Worship Pastor: A Call To Ministry For Worship Leaders And Teams. Then Scott and Sarah are joined by a mystery guest to discuss the contents of Another Week Ends.

  • Episode 59: ScreenWise

    October 21st, 2016  |  1 hr 12 mins

    This week our guest is Devorah Heitner, author of most recently, Screenwise. Following our conversation the usual suspects discuss the contents of Another Week Ends.

  • Episode 58: Finding God In The Waves (With Science Mike)

    October 14th, 2016  |  1 hr 7 mins

    Our guest this week is Mike McHargue, host of the Ask Science Mike podcast and co-host of The Liturgists podcast, both wildly popular. He’s also the author of Finding God In The Waves: How I Lost My Faith And Found It Again Through Science.

  • Episode 57: Transcendent

    October 7th, 2016  |  1 hr 5 mins

    Our guest this week is Katelyn Detweiler. Her most recent novel is Transcendent. She lives, work and writes in Brooklyn. After Scott’s conversation with Katelyn some of the usual suspects talk about moral licensing, call out culture, and the beauty of the transcendent God in the flesh.

  • Episode 56: Theology After You’ve Been Left Behind

    September 30th, 2016  |  1 hr 31 secs

    This week we have Jeffrey Pugh as our guest. He’s the author, most recently, of Homebrewed Christianity’s Guide To The End Times: Theology After You’ve Been Left Behind.  Then David, Sarah and Scott talk about judgmental children,

  • Episode 55: Special Edition: A First Look At The Mental Health Issue Of The Magazine

    September 26th, 2016  |  1 hr 39 secs

    On this special edition of the podcast we talk with the staff who puts together Mockingbird’s print magazine. We also speak with social psychologist Carol Tavris, interviewed in the magazine, and Brian and Debbie Solum, who together wrote a piece for this issue entitled Confessions of Parental Recidivists: Searching for Hope in Raising a Mentally Ill Child.

  • Episode 54: Help

    September 23rd, 2016  |  1 hr 18 mins

    We all need a little help from our friends, and ultimately from the Friend of Sinners. This week features a conversation with the one and only Paul Zahl and his longtime friend Duo Dickinson, renowned architect and lifelong Episcopalian.

  • Episode 53: Getting Religion

    September 16th, 2016  |  1 hr 6 mins

    Our guest this week is Kenneth L. Woodward, one of the deans of American journalism. Ken was the religion editor at Newsweek for 40 years. He most recent book is Getting Religion: Faith, Culture, and Politics from the Age of Eisenhower to the Era of Obama. Then Scott, David and Sarah talk time travel, clowns and poetry.

  • Episode 52: The Church’s One Foundation

    September 9th, 2016  |  1 hr 6 mins

    This week we have two guests, both actively involved in the work and mission of church life on the ground. The R.J. Heijmen works at St. Martin’s Church in Houston, Texas. His responsibilities there include Stewardship and oversight of all Christian Education Ministries of the Parish. He continues to play a supervisory role in Student Ministries and is a regular participant in the Family Table service. However, in this interview he talks more about his work before St. Martin’s, when he attempted to plant a church in the heart of New York City. Rick Heltne is partner in the firm SIMA Partners for Churches, whose mission is to serve as partners in the crucial journey of churches in the midst of leadership transitions. After the conversations with our guests some of the usual suspects talk about the contents of Another Week Ends.

  • Episode 51: Christians Need Missionaries Too

    September 2nd, 2016  |  1 hr 6 mins

    Our guest this week is Mark Tietjen, author most recently of Kierkegaard: Missionary To Christians. Then the roundtable remembers (with laughter) Gene Wilder, talks about the alternate universes, and why we feel the need to shout into the abyss.

  • Episode 50: Grace After God?

    August 26th, 2016  |  1 hr 9 mins

    On this episode of The Mockingcast our guest is Bart Campolo. Bart is the humanist chaplain at the University of Southern California. He also has a popular podcast called Humanize Me. After our conversation with Bart, Ethan Richardson and Sarah Condon join Scott Jones to talk cell phones, religion on the small screen and in American life, and the nature of the perfect day.

  • Episode 49: The Devil’s In The Details & The Nostalgia

    August 19th, 2016  |  1 hr 22 secs

    Our guest this week is Richard Beck, author of most recently Reviving Old Scratch: Demons and the Devil for Doubters and the Disenchanted. Then the roundtable talks Animal Farm, happiness rules and the danger of nostalgia.

  • Episode 48: Speaking Of Faith, Fashion and Friendship

    August 12th, 2016  |  1 hr 16 mins

    Our guest this week is Krista Tippet, host the wildly popular NPR show On Being, and the author of several books, most recently Becoming Wise: An Inquiry Into The Mystery And Art Of Living. Then Scott, David and Sarah talk fashion and friendship.

  • Episode 47: Rest Assured

    August 5th, 2016  |  47 mins 56 secs

    This week our guest is Jonathan Master, author most recently of A Question Of Consensus, which deals with post-Reformation understandings of the doctrine of assurance. He also hosts the podcast Theology On The Go,