The Mockingcast

About the show

The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at

Audio production provided by TJ Hester.

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  • Episode 30: What Is True Freedom? And What’s The Deal With Choose Your Own Adventure Books?

    April 29th, 2016  |  47 mins 34 secs

    In this episode Scott talks with Geoff Holsclaw, author of, most recently,  Transcending Subjects: Augustine, Hegel and Theology, and the co-host of the Theology On Mission Podcast. The usual suspects (Scott,

  • Episode 29: Our Conversation With Derek Webb, Thoughts On Prince, And The Joys Of Crashing Weddings

    April 22nd, 2016  |  58 mins 46 secs

    In this episode we air a conversation that David Zahl and Scott Jones had with Derek Webb at the 2016 New York City Conference. Then the usual suspects discuss the contents of Another Week Ends.   

  • Episode 28: The Mockingbird NYC 2016 Podcast

    April 15th, 2016  |  38 mins 22 secs

    In this special episode of the podcast all our content was recorded live from the #mockingbirdnyc2016 conference. Our usual cast of characters, with the welcome addition of Jacob Smith, talk about the story and identity of Mockingbird,

  • Episode 27: Vulnerability, Loss & The Anti-Law

    April 8th, 2016  |  49 mins 30 secs

    In this episiode Scott talks with Mandy Smith, author of The Vulnerable Pastor. Then the panel talks about the loss of a great artist, Merle Haggard, and reflect on the anniversary of the loss of a great preacher of grace, Michael Spencer.

  • Episode 26: Tay The Twitbot Has Spoken, We’re All American Psychos Now

    April 1st, 2016  |  54 mins 20 secs

    In this episode we are privileged to talk with noted author Chris Bachelder about his newest book, The Throwback Special. We also discuss some of the highlights of Another Week Ends, including the American Psycho musical and Microsoft’s genocidal socia...

  • Episode 25: Special Episode: The Superman V Batman First Look

    March 26th, 2016  |  20 mins 53 secs

    In this episode my mystery guest who’s secret identity is revealed on the podcast joins me to give a first look and reaction to the just released Batman V Superman film. SPOILER ALERT: Spoilers start at minute 12.

  • Episode 24: The Passion of Christ and Our Passion for Performance

    March 25th, 2016  |  53 mins 42 secs

    On this episode released at the end of Holy Week we talk art history with Matt Milliner of Wheaton College. He talks about three great artists and their eventual forsaking of their own performace idolatry. Then Ethan Richardson and Sarah Condon join ou...

  • Episode 23: Preaching and Hearing The Word In Holy Week And A Live Recording From #MbirdTyler2016

    March 18th, 2016  |  36 mins 8 secs

    This week we have Jacob Smith back on the podcast to talk about preaching and hearing sermons during Holy Week. David, Sarah and Scott also record live from the Mockingbird Tyler conference in the Lone Star State.

  • Episode 22: Life’s Too Short To Pretend You’re Not Religious, Let The Healing Begin

    March 11th, 2016  |  49 mins 44 secs

    This week Scott talks with David Dark, author of  Life’s Too Short To Pretend You’re Not Religious. You can click here for the full length, unedited version of the conversation. Then Scott, David and Sarah talk about moral aligment,

  • Episode 21: The Power of Empathy, The Excesses of Leadership and The Episcopalian Skeletor

    March 4th, 2016  |  53 mins 59 secs

    In this episode we sit down with John Zahl to talk music and movies. Then David Zahl, Sarah Condon and Scott Jones discuss the contents of  Another Week Ends. 

  • Episode 20: Meet Our New Co-Host…

    February 26th, 2016  |  41 mins 13 secs

    In this week’s episode we debut our new co-host, Sarah Condon. Sarah is an Episcopal priest, wife, mom and regular Mockingbird contributor. She, David Zahl I talk about Donald Trump, Flannery O’Conner, Facebook-like options and the power of extending g...

  • Episode 19: A Lenten Theology Of The Cross

    February 19th, 2016  |  41 mins 8 secs

    This week we’re priveleged to have Mockingbird contributor and Rector of Calvary-St.George’s in New York City. ( He shares some thoughts on the theology of the cross and how it can inform the Lenten season,

  • Episode 18: The Protest Vote and The Magic of Protestantism

    February 12th, 2016  |  56 mins

    In this episode of the show we talk with some really interesting people. We begin with a conversation with J.R. Rozko, co-director of the Mission Alliance ( They are doing a series of conference gatherings to explore what differ...

  • Episode 17: Everyone’s A Critic

    February 6th, 2016  |  40 mins 58 secs

    In this episode we talk with first time guest Stephanie Phillips about the dance working career moms have to do and how she changed her dance steps. Then David Zahl shares some thoughts about the nature of criticism (the literary and artistic kind),

  • Episode 16: Regret, Resolve and the Possibility of Relief

    January 29th, 2016  |  40 mins 11 secs

    In this episode of the Mockingcast we have Sarah Condon reflecting on the futility of the New Year’s Resolution and how it connects to the Lenten journey. We also have Ethan Richardson sharing his take on the contents of Another Week Ends,

  • Episode 15: A Conversation With Mark Oppenheimer

    January 25th, 2016  |  50 mins 33 secs

    This special edition of the Mockingcast comes to you by the good graces of Greg Strawbridge. Greg is a pastor in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He’s also a musician and an online sound producer extraordinaire. You can find his interviews,